Does it still make sense to support CD-size ISOs?

After x86/32 arch deprecation, here is another nice question.

CD-ROMs are 30 years old now. DVDs have been around for more or less a decade now. USB sticks and portable SSD drives are advancing. Does it really make sense to provide CD-size ISO images (<700Mb) nowadays? Should we go beyond with XFCE, LXDE and E17 Sabayon ISO images? What do you think?

Yeah, I love deprecating old cruft.

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20 responses to “Does it still make sense to support CD-size ISOs?

  1. harhar

    It’s not time to drop cd images- those spins (aside from E17) should be lightweight anyway so there’s no point increasing the baggage. The smaller spins also make as good recovery discs

  2. IMHO, CD sized desktop images don’t have sense. A minimal shell-only image may be good for some scripted deployments, but otherwise DVD sized images are just fine.

  3. stupot

    I don’t think making sure CD-sized installs are important, but if the end goal is a minimal install, then it doesn’t make sense to pack it full of applications either.

  4. Yes, CD-ISO needed. And also to reduce the required amount of RAM from 512 to 256 at least for XFCE and LXDE. Not all of these powerful computers. For example, I need to install Linux in schools. This course cd drive, 256 RAM. We have to take another 256 from another computer and put Linux, then clean up and the system works fine with 256. This is not a greedy gnome and KDE

  5. gluni

    yes, pls keep CD, for the above mentioned reasons and because not everyone has big internet connections to download 4 Gb instead of 700mb.

  6. x

    I think the size is a good reason why to keep CD-iso for some more time. Me myself likes Gentoo-Minimal because it allows me alot without taking the whole night to download if I frogot to fetch it earlier.

  7. Your target must be usb stick.

  8. phavx

    Definitely some maintainance work, but another possible solution:
    a) Only provide a minimal system as a CD-ISO, making sure it can easily be put on a thumbdrive.
    b) Use OpenSUSE’s build service or something alike – IIRC, something like it is being worked on for Gentoo? – provide a nice web-ui, so people can click some things together they would like to have.
    c) allow these ‘sets’ to be saved and provide some official, i.e. default-desktop with GNOME/KDE/…, something like sysresccd, wevdev-edition, etc.

  9. About what kind of computer do you say? Sink down below. A computer whose primary the CD can not work with usb booting. I understand we all have at home are powerful computers, but in state and local organizations are completely other

  10. may be necessary to make two broad branches:
    a) powerful computers the relevant parameters:
    minimum RAM 512, the minimum amount of hard disk 15 gigabytes, dual core processor or 3hz, video card nvidia 8400
    b) the weak computers relevant parameters:
    minimum RAM 128, the minimum amount of hard disk 2 gigabyte processor less 3hz, nvidia video card below 8400

    For each branch to produce all kinds of distributions, but with the corresponding values ​​of the characteristics of iron. For powerful computers you can go for 700 MB disc for XFCE and LXDE, but for the weak .. do everything on a CD, even KDE and GNOME as it is done in Alt Linux

  11. thecata

    In my opinion, CD iso images can be useful only on older computers. I don’t think anyone bought a computer in the past five years that had an optical unit that supports CDs, but not DVDs. Like others already said, a good idea would be a small rescue CD, and full desktop versions on DVD. In this case, the SpinBase and CoreCDX should be maintained because they pretty much do the trick (minimal sabayon computer, no or minimal X tools… everything else a hard-core user would need is available via updates – broadband connections are pretty common these days as well, but a rescue cd would definitely be useful to have laying around the house).

  12. Theofilos Intzoglou

    I always loved the network installation cds some distributions have. You download about 200mb isos, put them on mini-cds and use the network for installation of the latest available packages. If I want a live medium I always prefer dvds as they are usually faster to boot (than cds) and they can contain a complete desktop.

  13. So, I at least would like to see cd-sized images remain supported for a while.

    I have a 15Mbps fiber-optic connection, and a DVD burner. Still, it is pretty rare for me to saturate that pipe with mirrors being as loaded as they are.

    If I just want to set up a gentoo virtual machine or whatever, why should I download a 5GB live DVD when I really just need a bash prompt with a few utils like wget, screen, etc? Likewise, 1-2GB flash drives are ubiquitous, but 4+GB ones aren’t (they aren’t expensive, but they’re generally not giveaways).

    It just seems strange to not offer some kind of minimal install media. You can already stuff so much onto a CD anyway – unless you want to use the install media as some kind of desktop alternative, why would you need a DVD?

  14. 4m

    Independent of what you aim for, careful coding should not take a lot of space. While disk space is getting cheaper, energy is not. Downloading means using energy, so try to make use of it efficiently. Try to keep the size low, where it makes sense.

  15. Andriy

    My 5 cents:
    1) ISO images must fit DVD size;
    2) the re is no reason to fit CD size, CD is a dying dinosaur🙂
    3) if you wan’t to have a smaller medium then DVD, than limit ISO size to 1Gb USB stick or 2Gb USB stick.

  16. Andriy, when you wake a dying dinosaur, your opinion will change)

  17. theDec

    For the KDE and Gnome installs, just worry about the 4.7 GB limit. For the XFCE and LMDE installs, offer the 700 MB image. Although I have to agree with gluni, many of us just don’t have the bandwidth to get the 4GB images easily.

  18. Silvertip257

    CDs aren’t dead.

    And yes, who honestly wants to download 2.2GB+ rather than simply 700MB? Downloading a DVD ISO takes a good amount of time.

    Keep 700MB CD ISOs for specific spins – those targeted at older systems. These CD ISOs are great for sys rescue/recovery disks.

    I’d say that right now the offerings are good.

  19. K Thornton

    I use Linux CD distributions frequently; if you stopped creating ISO’s in this format, they would have to created for those that need and use them. Please continue to provide these releases.

  20. In an ideal world, there should always be a CD based image, if only for those times at 3 am when you’re emptying all your drawers just trying to find a single DVD and all you have is CDs🙂

    I would say a good balanced of images is:

    – Minimal, net based installation CD
    – Vanilla image with distro’s default desktop; hopefully this will fit on a single CD but if not, fine
    – Maximal DVD image, with choice of all supported desktop configurations for advanced users

    All of these should be made as easy as possible to tranfer to a USB stick and specific, clear documentation for how to this under Lin/Win/Mac should be VERY prominent on the download page.

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